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Eligibility

I would like to double check with the CoP, my understanding of the last paragraph of 2.5.1 "Elections & Eligibility"

"All Core Circle Members are eligible for election" for me does not mean that ONLY Core Circle Members are eligible, but it means that everyone who is a Core Circle Members, even if temporarily, has the right to be elected.  It does NOT exclude non-Core Circle Members from the election.

Furthermore, 3.3.1 "Attendance" is also talking about the possibility that the Facilitator and the Secretary are not Core Circle Members. That does reinforce my understanding in that way.

As a rule of thumb, I think in general that might not be a great idea to have a Rep Link that is not a "stable" core circle member, because of the need of understanding of the tensions of the other members. However, I do not see why a Facilitator or a Secretary should be stable members of the circle if some external people are seen as the best fit for those roles. And actually, even for a Rep Link, the same reasoning should apply. 

And there is always the possibility to object during the Integrative Election Process or to call for other elections if needed.

Please let me know your understanding about that.

16 Replies
Andrea Faré
12/16/2017

Hi Francesco my understanding is the following:

as a general statement: non-core circle members cannot be elected, 

however :

Any "non-core" circle member (or shall I say literally "anyone")   may become "core" by simply being invited via one of the available means provided by  articles  2.3.4 (..."additional persons"...) and 4.1.4 (..."someone else"...). This to my eyes makes  the distinction substantially irrelevant for the purpose of elections,   As a matter of fact as you correctly say for  training or other purposes you might want to have external facilitators and secretaries or to rotate them between circles.

Then I agree with you, electing an external Rep Link might not be a smart move, but who knows, what if a good number of circle member believes  someone external, once invited to the meeting,  could be a good tension ambassador candidate for the Super Circle ;-)? And even in that case the rep link can always invite someone who might help him in processing specific tensions (i.e. think of some domain expert in the Circle that could help describing the nature of the tension to the containing Circle for it to be better processed there)

 

PS: [@mention:551171168851329852] article 4.1.4 is not linkable externally (i had to point to 4.1.3) due to a typo in the id field of the corresponding html tag.

  (<a id="art414-" , that dash seems to mess up things when linking)

 

Francesco Lomonaco
12/17/2017
Andrea Faré posted:
 

as a general statement: non-core circle members cannot be elected, 

 

Ciao Andrea,

Thanks a lot for you answer, I see that globally we share a similar understanding. However I would like to know in which part of the Constitution it is stated that non-core circle members cannot be elected. Is it your interpretation of 2.5.1 or you are referring to another part?

Andrea Faré
12/17/2017

HI Francesco,

Yes 2.5.1 says it to my own brain by adding up the logic implied in the two sentences:

...will facilitate regular elections to elect a Core Circle Member of the Circle

....All Core Circle Members are eligible for election

If there wasn't such a limitation I would have phrased things differently (that is if I was the author of such a passage)

Andrea.

Francesco Lomonaco
12/17/2017

I see what you mean, but I still stick to my interpretation because if I had written the Constitution I would have stated clearly that ONLY Core Circle Members are eligible. In any case I think that it is necessary to remove that ambiguity. Version 5?

Fritz von Allmen
12/17/2017

I was in a circle where I lost all other roles (circle retired them by governance) except the role as secretary. I then decided to leave the circle because I then felt like an "external", having no other purpose in the circle.

My point is "external" Facilitators or Secretaries are possible  - but don't make much sense.

a) it's a waste of resources (you are blocking someone from outside the circle)

b) it hinders the circle-members to learn those roles

c) people from outside won't understand the circle as good as circle members. Dealing with tensions, especially integrations, are difficult for an external Facilitator.

Therefore: +1 to clarify constitution to allow only circle-members

Mikolaj
12/18/2017

It is just my feeling, but I feel that "external" Secretary of Facilatator are much better than "internal" because they have only their common sense and Constitution and they don't mix their own opinion to the discussion...

Fritz von Allmen
12/19/2017

Funny you mention "opinions" Mikolaj. We actually had some mindgames if the Facilitator should be a (software) bot, because of what he has to do and what the Circle is expecting from him (acting cold-bloded, follow process, don't have feelings nor opinions). Maybe in 2-4 years Slackbot, Alexa and friends will be able to facilitate Governance- and Tactical-Meetings

Keith Jarvis
12/22/2017

It's clear to me that only core circle members are eligible. If an individual is not a member of the circle by nature of role assignment, a lead link can appoint them as a core circle member, making them eligible for election to one of the elected roles.

Re: the thread, I very much like the idea of 'neutral' Facilitator and Secretary - IF your organization has the human resources to implement such a thing. BUT there's nothing requiring your other circle members to nominate someone who doesn't also energize a role in the circle.

Francesco Lomonaco
02/19/2018

This is still unclear to me and it has an impact on the organization I am working with. [@mention:449693036223847456] would you mind sharing your interpretation, please? Mine is that non-core circle members can also be elected, but I might be wrong, of course. 

Brian Robertson
02/19/2018

In Holacracy v4.1, my interpretation is that only Core Circle Members are eligible for election, given this line in the Constitution:

The Facilitator of each Circle will facilitate regular elections to elect a Core Circle Member of the Circle into each of its Elected Roles

That to me says clearly that a Core Circle Member will be (i.e. must be) elected into each Elected Role.

This will be changing in Holacracy v5.0, but for now, that's my interpretation.

Margaux
02/19/2018

What is the change in v5.0?

Mikolaj
02/19/2018

We are all looking forward to see v.5.0! - any forecast when we should expect it?

Brian Robertson
02/19/2018

Sorry, not a priority for me to explain changes now while it's still in development; once it's closer to ready for roll-out, HolacracyOne will figure out how to communicate/educate our wonderful community about all the many cool changes.  :-)  In the meantime, if you're super interested and want to support the development effort, you can follow the progress and per-issue discussion on github here.

Brian Robertson
02/19/2018

Very rough forecast is that a beta version will be out in the second half of this year, and then a final version maybe early next year.

Also note we'll have a lot of space at the upcoming Holacracy Forum dedicated to explaining the many changes for anyone who wants to participate in the beta (or be prepared for the final release).

Margaux
02/19/2018

Thanks. 

Not a priority for me to read all the suggested changes, need to focus on my clients But I will definitely take some time to review it in the future and I understand you don't want to waste your time in two different places 

Francesco Lomonaco
02/19/2018

Thanks a lot for your answer, Brian. I will align my interpretation. Keep up the good excellent work.